History: Fiction or Science? (Chronology, No. 1)

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Recorded history is a finely-woven magic fabric of intricate lies about events predating the sixteenth century. There is not a single piece of evidence that can be reliably and independently traced back earlier than the eleventh century. This book details events that are substantiated by hard facts and logic, and validated by new astronomical research and statistical analysis of ancient sources.

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Calculations are only as good as your numbers.......2007-08-03

Yes, we can all agree that mainstream history is nearly 100% BS due to politics, economics, ego, problems with dating techniques, and various conspiracies. Agreed. But, I've been researching the distinct possibility that human history (in terms of civilizations) are much more ancient than we've been told, so coming across this book was very interesting to me. I wondered how Fomenko could be wrong (if at all) because he is very persuasive in his presentations. Then it dawned on me. If at previous times in prehistory, due to the various catastrophies that are well documented (comets, asteroids, planetary disruptions, plasma discharge, pole reversals, etc) the Earth was in a different position in relation to the sun, different tilt on its axis, different orbit, different rotation (in terms of velocity and DIRECTION), and the continents were in different positions, then would this not cause the ancients to see the sky (constellations) differently? In other words, is Fomenko making erronious assumptions about the physics of the Earth in pre-history, which then corrupt his data with regards to dating the relevant astrology? The last event to seriously disrupt our planet occured roughly 3500 years ago, according to other good researchers, so is it possible Fomenko has been confused by this? The vastly different physics of our planet in the not so distant past may explain this confusion, which is not to say the "mainstream" version of history is correct; on the contrary. I am not an expert in these fields, but wanted to see if this idea could spark discussion.

Pants on fire?.......2007-07-19

Will people ever read before spamming? Yes, Jesuits could not rewrite world history alone, they had help. Anyway, Dr Prof Acad A.Fomenko does not point to jesuits as the driving force of world wide history manipulation in published volumes 1,2,3;, actually he barely mentions the poor devils. Check it with 'Search inside' feature, please. China is rarely mentioned either, in fact, Dr Fomenko is completely eurocentric. Right, his theory contradicts all mainstream schools of history, because in their actual state they are all built on blatantly erroneus chronology. You don't need a mysterious cabal (conspiracy) to falsify history, the falsification is its modus operandi. It is inherent to history(ians) to falsify (distort) events, as it is inherent to humans to boast as it is inherent to power (authority) to legimize itself by referrring to glorious past made to its own order. Dr Prof Fomenko and team have identified scores of instances of such manipulation in Russian, European, etc.. history, and delivered valid statistical proof thereof. His own 'reconstruction' is completely another story. Forget c14 as a valid method of dating. W.Libby has initially discovered a brilliant method of INDEPENDENT dating. Too bad, c14 method has become a joke after a forced marrige with dendrochronology with consensual chronological scale inbuilt. Radiocarbon method can't stand blind tests, but is so very productive as a rubberstamp.

Accepted History & Chronology Must Be Changed. .......2007-04-09

There is no doubt that history as most know it is a sham, & institution's version of History both University & Church is fradulent & inaccurate. Everything was established with an agenda, The real "Dark Ages" are now when we have access to incredible amounts of information past authorities & more important 'common folk' didn't have but our institutions & educators are slow to evolve because of what has ignorantly & arrogantly been taught for too long. This is on many subjects not just Chronology.

For anyone to question "Why would a Mathematician have anything credible to say of History?" The answer is from Dr. Fomenko's preface in the book: "It would be worthwhile to remind the reader that in the XVI-XVII century Chronology was considered to be a subdivision of Mathematics." These volumes could possibly be some of the most important works to date & should be read by everyone with an interest in History, especially professors & educators who have a duty to the public. I have read both books & must say that 'Chronology 1' has some very eye opening & revolutionary information. Even if these volumes are part true the implications are profound & opens the doors to further investigations & questions which must be done. I speak several different lanquages & must say the logic Dr. Fomenko uses with "inflection" of words & words being read from left to right in one region & right to left in another then written backwards, the removal of vowels & get down to basics of words, or different cities & locations having the same name etc. is correct. Vowel usage has always been optional & varied, actually complicating linquistics & study. The first thing one has to understand is that words never had a fixed spelling in history like we do now, the spelling of words was mutable & regional, as well as names & titles of people were vast, varied & changed, NOTHING WAS FIXED or understood linear. Matters of Life & Death as well as financial profiteering yesterday & today were & are made with ignorant, illogical & conspiratorial views of history & reality, it's time people get closer to the Truth & society collectively grow up.

Very Interesting.......2007-03-07

It is a good proposal and I believe it will mature into something even better in the future. I think it deserves to be read.

History as Science Fiction.......2007-01-10

Anatoly Fomenko has written a very intriguing book, full of pictures, charts, and computer 'proof' of his thesis: backwards of AD900 we don't really know what happened or when. Between AD900 and AD1600 there is more certainty, but there is still a lot of fuzzy ground, and things don't get reliable until we get past the 1600's where the printing press made it very difficult for the perpetrators of this timeline manipulation to change anything that had been committed to print. The Dark Ages did not happen. Books were burned for a reason. One organization has doubled the actual length of its existence by expanding the real chronology. Read why.

I had always wondered why Christ died about AD33 and yet men waited until the 11th century to form the Knights Templar, the Cathars, etc and go after the Holy Land by force. Why the 1000 year gap? Turns out there wasn't more than a 10-12 year gap and he proves it using astronomy. This also implies that the planet is not as old as we have been told, and current Christian and other creationist scientists are already championing that idea without being aware of Fomenko's book. The two groups, creationist scientists and the Russian mathematical analysts corroborate each other. Fascinating.

Of course, all this flies in the face of what we have been told traditionally is the 'proper' chronology of western civilization, and most readers will experience 'cognitive dissonance' in reading this book. It means that our history going backwards from AD1600 becomes progressively more incorrect and unreliable until it cannot be trusted at all... in the space of 700-800 years.

Naturally, the curious, open-minded reader will want to know WHO did this, WHY, and did any of the events we think of as really ancient ever happen?
Dr. Fomenko is a respected scientist/mathematician at Moscow State University who has already answered these questions to the satisfaction of his initially skeptical colleagues. Most of them are now believers, a few still refuse to believe (the usual diehards), and of course the western press has ignored Fomenko's work -- for obvious reasons when you read the book. The ones who perpetrated this chronology ruse have a lot to answer for. They are still with us. That's why this book is a well-kept secret.

I gave the book a 4-star rating because I was unable to check out some of his claims; those I checked were as he said. But if even 1/3 of his claims are true, this punches a big hole in what we think is our history, the meaning of western civilization, our educational process (for repeating the ruse as gospel), and the trustworthiness of the organization that perpetrated this ruse, well-intentioned or not.

This book relates to current research into a Young Earth paradigm, to John Keel's discoveries about our planet, and Fr Malachi Martin's insights (in his now out-of-print books). We are indeed sheep who are manipulated and kept ignorant -- for a reason. While knowing what these men have to say may be the "booby prize" (as in: 'what can you do with this knowledge?'), it will provide interesting reading. Didn't someone say: "...and the Truth will set you free."?? For you to judge if this book contains the truth.

History: Fiction or Science? Chronology 2 (Chronology)

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History: Fiction or Science? Chronology 2 (Chronology)
Anatoly T Fomenko
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`History: Fiction or Science? Chronology 2` is the second volume of the most explosive and astounding tractate on history ever written - however, every theory it contains, no matter how unorthodox, is backed by rock solid scientific data. The book is easy and pleasant to read; it is well-illustrated, contains hundreds of charts, graphs and illustrations, copies of ancient manuscripts, and countless facts attesting to the falsity of the chronology used nowadays. You will be amazed to discover: - That the chronology universally accepted today and taken for granted is simply wrong; - That ALL methods of dating of ancient sources and artefacts known today are erroneous or non-exact; - That there is not a single document that could be reliably dated earlier than the XIth century; The Author refers to the Middle Ages as the Antiquity and proves mutual superimposition of the Second and the Third Roman Empire, both of which become identified as the respective kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Furthermore, he asserts that the famous reform of the Occidental Church in the XI century by Pope Gregory Hildebrand was the reflection of the XII century reforms of Byzantine emperor Andronicus who in his turn identifies with Jesus Christ. The Trojan war counted by Homer happened only as late as of the XIII century A.D. and the great poet actually lived in XIV century A.D. No stone in history of Antiquity is left unturned. Literally. This book is the beginning of a major correction to the chronology we live with.

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Check and see.......2007-06-21

I don't care what other people say of this book. Those affirmig it's fake, they hadn't ever read it. Or have some special reasons to do so. "Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see..." This book won't make you feel comfortable. It'll make you feel free. It'll make you feel you're "not the only one" to feel you'd been lied to for centuries.

Suprise! Suprise!.......2007-03-22

Here is a serie of books which turns "the whole world" upside down. I learned a lot of it and I hope that a new book from A.T. Fomenko will follow very quick. A absolute must for everybody who is interested in history or even a little bit from it.

Prescient St Augustine?.......2006-02-05

We can so far divide the New Chronology into the following three parts:

a) The verifiable theory that proves consensual chronology wrong with the aid of astronomy, statistics and mathematics;

b) The new chronology hypothesis based on a new understanding of known historical facts and the most likely logical explanation of the most obvious inconsistencies inherent in the official version of history;

c) The history conjectures, that is experimental historical reconstructions based on assumptions that the authors believe to make sense in the light of their research and linguistic parallels - void of ironclad factual support to date.

Fomenko's theory complies with the most rigid scientific standards as a whole:

It gives a coherent explanation of what we already know.

- It is consistent: independent lines of inquiry all lead to the same conclusion.

- The predictions it makes are confirmed empirically.

Fomenko goes by the following axioms:

- Chronology is the basis of history;

- Human evolution has always been linear, gradual and irreversible;

- The "cyclic" nature of human civilization is a myth, likewise all the gaps, duplicates, "dark ages" and "renaissances" that we know from consensual history;

- The accumulation of geographical knowledge as reflected in cartography is a gradual and irreversible process;

- The chronological distance between a given manuscript and the events described therein is proportional to the amount of distortions it contains;

- There is no "useless" information in authentic ancient sources.

Why the mainstream historians do not shower mathematician Academician Dr.Prof Fomenko with thanks and laurels?

The Russians:

Because Fomenko asserts that there was no such thing as the Tartar and Mongol invasion followed by three centuries of slavery, providing a formidable body of documental evidence to prove his assertion. The so-called "Tartars and Mongols" were the actual ancestors of the modern Russians, living in a bilingual state with Arabic spoken as freely as Russian. The ancient Russian state was governed by a double structure of civil and military authorities. The hordes were actually professional armies with a tradition of lifelong conscription (the recruitment being the so-called "blood tax"). Their "invasions" were punitive operations against the regions that attempted tax evasion. Fomenko proves that Russian history as we know it today is a blatant forgery concocted by a host of German scientists brought to Russia by the usurper dynasty of the Romanovs, whose ascension to the throne was the result of coup d'état, charged with the mission of making their reign look legitimate. Fomenko proves Ivan the Terrible to be a collation of four rulers, no less. They represented the two rival dynasties - the legitimate rulers and the ambitious upstarts. The winner took it all! Over some 30 years of controversy, Russian historians have made a most remarkable transition - they were initially accusing the young mathematician Fomenko of anticommunist dissident activity and attempts to deface the historical legacy of Soviet Russia; nowadays the middle-aged mathematician is accused of adhering to "pro-communist Russian nationalism" and defacing the proud historical legacy of Great Russia.

The Westerners:

Because Fomenko blows consensual Russian history to smithereens, successfully removing a crucial cornerstone from underneath the otherwise impeccable edifice of World History. Fomenko adds insult to injury, wiping out one by one the Ancient Rome (the foundation of Rome in Italy is dated to the XIV century A. D.), the Ancient Greece and its numerous poleis, which he identifies as the mediaeval crusader settlements on the territory of Greece, and the Ancient Egypt (the pyramids of Giza become dated to the XI-XV century A. D. and identified as the royal cemetery of the Global "Mongolian" Empire, no less). The civilization of the Ancient Egypt is irrefutably dated to the XII-XV century A. D. with the aid of the ancient Egyptian horoscopes cut in stone. He was the first one to decipher and date all such horoscopes, coming up with mediaeval dates in every case. English historians rage at the suggestion that the history of Ancient England was de facto a Byzantine import transplanted to the English soil by the fugitive Byzantine nobility. To reward the English historians who consider themselves the true scribes of World History, the cover of the present book portrays Tintoretto's Jesus Christ crucified on the Big Ben.

The Chinese:

Because Fomenko wipes out the Ancient History of China outright. No such thing. Full point. The compilation of the so-called Ancient Chinese History is reliably datable to the XVII-XVIII century only. It is perfectly recognizable as the Ancient European history, reworked and transcribed in hieroglyphs as yet another historical transplantation, this time performed on the Chinese soil by the loving Jesuit hands. The Chinese are the next in line to go berserk. Chinese history is inevitably bound to get both more ancient and more eventful, proportionally to the growing involvement of China in the world affairs. Chinese historians will keep on finding valid proof of prehistoric Chinese spaceflights until the Politburo orders them to shut up.

The Arabs:

Too bad. Islam with all its key figures is datable to XV-XVI century A. D. Arabic historians may find consolation in the crucial historical role of the Ottoman Empire in the XVI-XVII century. The trouble is that this empire was initially a Christian state, with Hagia Sophia identifiable as Temple of Solomon, according to Fomenko! We can only guess if the acquisition of Alexander the Great (a Macedonian and a Christian) as the founder of the Muslim World Empire will make Fomenko's theories more acceptable to the Arabic mainstream. He certainly does not spare any holy cows at all, claiming The Stone of Qa'Aba in Mecca to contain the lost Arch of the Covenant.

The Divinity:

Despite of reiterated statement that his theory is all about chronology and not Religion, Fomenko stirs up a whole condominium of wasp nests. His collection of anathemas, fatwa, and other condemnations from all parties concerned is already considerable. Little wonder, considering that the history of religions à la Fomenko looks as follows: the pre-Christian period (before the XI century and JC), Bacchic Christianity (XI-XII century, before and after JC), JC Christianity (XII-XVI century) and its subsequent mutations into Orthodox Christianity, the Catholicism, Islam, Buddhism, and so on.

According to Fomenko we know strictly NOTHING about the events that predate the X century A. D.

St Augustin was prescient when he spoke unto us: "be wary of mathematicians, particularly when they speak the truth."

Something of a disappointment.......2005-09-09

After having read the first volume of this expected series of 7 volumes I was triggered by the thesis of these authors that ancient Greek and Roman history did in fact take place in the Middle Ages. So I started studying medieval history of the Middle East - also known as Islamic history - to find out if the opponents of the ancient Greeks and Romans - the Acheamenid Persians, Sassanids, Scythians, Egyptians, etc. - also have their duplicates in medieval history. My search was disappointing: none of the many medieval Islamic dynasties seemed to correspond to the ancient middle eastern rulers.

However, I did find a close correspondence between Herodotus' Persian kings and medieval events:

- the defeat and capture of an Anatolian king - the Lydian Croesus - by the Persian conqueror Cyrus is identical to the defeat and capture of another Anatolian king - sultan Bayezid - by the Asian/Mongol conqueror Tamerlane;
- the Persian conquest of Egypt by the cruel tyrant Cambyses reds almost exactly as the Ottoman conquest of Egypt by Selim the Grim (note the nickname!);
- Darius the Lawgiver of the Persian Empire looks very much alike to Sulayman the Magnificent, the Lawgiver in Islamic history;
- Xerxes, whose main claim to fame is to be defeated by the Greeks at the naval battle of Salamis, looks like Selim II (the Sot) whose main claim to fame is to be defeated by a Spanish-Italian alliance at the naval battle of Lepanto.

I should have expected Fomenko et al. to arrive at similar conclusions, however, they claim that the Persian kings are the alter egos of the Angevin kings of Sicily whose biographies do not contain the exploits of the Persian kings.

The similiarities I indicate lead to the conclusion that Herodotus must have written his Histories at the close of the 16th century. But this is extremely late, given that Herodotus is "the Father of History", so therefore all other "ancient" histories must have been fabricated even later. Yet, the founders of modern chronology - Scaliger and Petavius - laid their foundations also at the close of the 16th century and had the full corpus of ancient histories already at their disposal.

It seems to me that Fomenko has to address these inconsistencies, maybe in the forthcoming 5 volumes?

Another critique of their book is that the correspondencies between different rulers are often based on a superficial comparison of the biographies; upon a more thorough comparison many details appear that do not correspond at all.

Finally, the authors rely heavily on the works of Gregorovius (1821-1891!!) - his medieval histories of Rome and Athens - as the source of medieval history; these works are - at least in the West - hoplessly outdated and have been superceded by more up-to-date works (for instance, Julius Norwich's trilogy on Byzantine history is not even cited).

Romulus courts Helen, Paris founds Rome, Moses goes to Troy.........2005-07-30

If you agree with Fomenko that Roman chronology is basically the foundation of the entire edifice of global chronology; you would also certainly agree that despite its numerous gaps and inconsistencies, Roman history is the best-documented field of ancient history, and thus a reference scale. But how well is the actual date of the Eternal City's foundation known?

Firstly, Rome is supposed to have been founded by the Trojans who had to flee after the fall of Troy. Some claim Rome to have been founded by Aeneas and Ulysses shortly after Troy had fallen; others are of the opinion that there was an entire dynasty that ruled for 500 years between the fall of Troy and the foundation of Rome.

Well, that's just an innocent 500 years long misunderstanding compared with what heretic Fomenko says, asserts, proves in his second volume: Second Roman Empire, Third Roman Empire, Biblical Kingdom of Israel, Biblical Kingdom of Judah, Holy Roman Empire are stories about basically same events, written from different points of view at different times. The underlying events have actually taken place during xii-xv cy. These histories have been written and perfected by multitude of highly talented humanist and clerical writers of xiii-xvi cy disguised as "ancients" with glorious names like Homer, Pluto, Thucydides etc..Chronology 2.0 beta..

Historians are kindly invited to report the bugs.

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A Work of Disturbing Imagination
scare tactics for sale!
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great book, but needed to stick to tittle
Jerusalem. The Truth Is Out There.

The Battle for Jerusalem
John Hagee
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Newly updated and revised with the most current information about the events in the Middle East, Pastor John Hagee explains how the Israeli and Palestinian conflict will affect global politics, America's energy supply, and the world economy. The Battle for Jerusalem explores the heart of Israel's current struggle, the history behind the antagonism between Arabs and Jews, and the powerful significance of the Temple Mount, a thirty-five acre parcel that is the most fiercely contested real estate on the planet. Hagee explains how this conflict is not merely political or economic, but is also spiritual, with the repercussions of their actions continuing to echo across the world. Most importantly, Hagee illustrates how all the players in this tortuous conflict fit into God's plan for the ages.

Previous editions: 0-7852-6788-3, 0-7852-6588-0, and 0-7852-6542-2

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A Work of Disturbing Imagination.......2007-06-17

In the Battle for Jerusalem, John Hagee, a founder and senior pastor of the 17,000-strong Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, TX and president of Global Evangelism Television, declares that he wants readers "to understand the age-old divisions that are still tearing the Holy Land apart" and "to be able to distinguish between truth and propaganda in the media reports" (pg. viii). A supporter of Israel, he denounces men like Yasser Arafat, who he calls "a thug so repugnant" and claims that Arabs believe that "violence pays" (pg. 3, 8). More surprisingly, he asserts that the Antichrist "is alive at this moment and knows his satanic assignment" and that "the rapture is literal, Armageddon is an actual battle, and the Antichrist is a living breathing person whom the Bible calls the chief son of Satan" (pg. 161-62). He emphasizes that the Antichrist "will come from the European Union and be a man of `fortresses' or military might" (pg. 178).

In 263 pages of pure nonsense, John Hagee expects people to believe his every word. With an annual pay of over one million dollars, he must be rather successful in spreading his propaganda. He calls Ariel Sharon a great man, even though one must recall how the Kahan Commission, established by the Israeli government, found Sharon personally responsible for the deaths of 700 to 3,500 Palestinian civilians at Sabra and Shatila in 1982. A biblical literalist, he believes that slavery, rape, kidnapping, murder, and genocide are morally justified because they are sanctioned by the Bible (see Leviticus 25:44-46, Judges 21:10-24, Deuteronomy 22:28-29, and 1 Samuel 15:2-3, for instance). He even believes that "murder, adultery, and a host of other sins" are tolerable as long as one "drew near to God" (pg. 158).

It is absurd and outrageous for Hagee to claim that the Antichrist will originate from the European Union. He fails to understand that NATO is an American-led organization and that the United States has many European allies. The powerful economic incentive of their union prevents European nations from conducting massive wars against others and is the reason why there has been peace for so long in Western Europe.

While he prefers Israel over Muslim countries, Hagee fails to realize that the Holocaust has its historic roots in Christianity. Adolf Hitler even declared that his "feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. [...] how terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. [...] As a Christian, I have also a duty to my own people." (Speeches of Adolf Hitler, Oxford University Press, 1942). Hagee seems to tolerate the sacrifice of Jews during the end of times and quotes Gershom Gorenberg, who claims that "Christians will safely exit to the wings" but "the Jews will find themselves at the center of the apocalypse" (pg. 218). Moreover, he forgets that Jews do not accept Jesus Christ and would strongly oppose his sense of Christian domination.

Hagee asserts that "we have forgotten to do our duty -- to preach the gospel and win the lost, cast out demons and heal the sick, be filled with the Spirit, pull down the strongholds of sin and Satan, demolish the strongholds of witchcraft, Satanism, and pornography" (pg. 157). With a social agenda like that, he lacks the ability for critical thinking beyond petty matters. He adumbrates on such topics because he cannot articulate coherent ideas about society's more pressing issues -- i.e. improving healthcare, and spurring economic growth. [..]

scare tactics for sale! .......2006-11-15

John Hagee pockets around 1 million dollars a year. I wonder how much he sends to Darfur to help the women being raped instead of sending it to Isreal to try and help his theory of (whoever is in with Isreal, is in with God)

If you could do one thing better than GOD, would you still believe?...............

I would like you to imagine for a moment, a mother's love. I think we can all agree, the bond between a mother and child is one of the strongest bonds known to mankind, in any time or culture. Now imagine you are the mother of two children. One boy and one girl, their ages are unimportant.

Got the image in your head? Great, now imagine one child is always a troublemaker, quite a little heathen if you will. The child never listens to anything you say, gets in trouble at school, and even sometimes says they hate you. Child number two, is a perfect little angel, always does what they are told, hugs you and kisses you often and whispers their love for you every night before they fall asleep.

Of course you may discipline the naughty child, but do you still have unconditional love for both children mommies and daddies of the world?

Of course you say?

Well let's see..........

Late one summer night you decide to go to the corner store to buy some milk after the children have fallen asleep, upon returning only ten minutes later you are horrified to see that your house is engulfed in flames. Knowing both children are inside, and could be burning alive at this very moment, you know you need to make a quick judgement.
Which child will you save??????

What ??

Both you say?

Why would you save both children?????

What?? Because you love both of them??? Why?

One child is a complete terror, and doesn't even love you!!! Why would you do such a thing???

The Christian God wouldn't!!

What you say??? God has unconditional love, even more than a mere human mother?

Really????

Well, let's take a look at the GOD of love for just a moment...

God has many children in this world yet he punishes those who do not love or "believe" in him, with fire for ALL ETERNITY does that sound like unconditional love to you???

If I, as a mere human mother, can love my children with the unconditional love that GOD cannot, does he truly love and forgive better than us "silly" humans that he supposedly created?

Or are we all just ignorant children, hoping that our "father's" approval (with strict unrealistic conditions), equals love?

You decide... Can you do something better than God?

What you say, if he didn't love us he wouldn't have sent Jesus to "save" us and forgive our sins?
We'll believing in Jesus is still a condition isn't it?
Something to think about.

Ps.

The sins of god include: murder (of the whole world except the ark), impregnating a virgin, rewarding lot after he tried to give away his virgin daughters to the town, acceptance of polygamous marriages in the old testament, etc. etc. etc. If a human were on trial for the same things we would put them away forever. Yet we excuse God by saying he knows what's best for us and he can do whatever he wants because he is GOD. Our American laws are based on the ten commandments yet we follow the laws of GOD who cannot keep his own commandments. If God was truly a perfect being he would have known in his "all time seeing vision" that we would mess up, and he wouldn't have tested eve with the apple. If God never made mistakes why did he wipe out the entire planet with a flood after the first batch of people did work out? If God didn't make mistakes why bother with the ten commandments if he knew nobody could follow them and he would have to send Jesus to get crucified on a cross to make up for it? I thought God knew everything. Frankly I've seen better administrative work during the Clinton administration, and that's saying something.

When will the (educated) wealthy countries learn to spread hope through actual tangible help to third world nations instead of "helping" them with false promises of heaven while we steal their oil, diamonds, and hope?

We have battered those weaker than us with our "religion" for far too long
Somebody stop the planet, this "saved" Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist turned Evangelical Atheist wants to get off.

Angela (San Antonio, Texas)

Excellent.......2006-09-17

I read this book in one day, and could not put it down.

If you agree with John Hagee's theology or not, the historican facts and biblical references are right on target.

I have read many books written by authors presenting their spiritual message, in theory. John Hagee presents historican facts and religious references that you make take exception with but are undeniably accurate.

While there will always be those who take varying stands on religion (i.e., the Scopes trial!), I know the same will happen here. None the less, read from any perspective, it is a well researched book to read.

All you would need is an open mind. To read this with a preconceived Anti-Hagee sentiment would be fruitless.

As I've heard it said, if you are against an issue anything will be grounds to disagree with it.

This was an excellent book.

great book, but needed to stick to tittle.......2005-05-08

This was an excellant book. I had learned a lot about why it was happening, why it probably shouldn't, and how people are being enticed to attack isrealis. I loved how the author used biblical passages, and compared them with world events. They were great connections. I am christian, and was gald to see that the author was not biased when arguing his points. He used many references or other peoples qoutes. However, I wish he would have stuck to the tittle more, the last half of the book really talks about bible propheses, which is cool, but the book is tittled Battle for jerusalem. IT is quite frustrating when the author strays away. I would have liked to read more about the conflict at hand. Overall I give this book a 4, its very interesting, easy to follow, and the author makes very clear comparisons.

Jerusalem. The Truth Is Out There........2002-12-27

The revelations in this captivating book by John Hagee should be accessed by people of all faiths, with their impact being of such a wide ranging & immense significance that they will ultimately affect us all.

The author confirms the claims of the Hebrew prophets of the Old Testament that in the `latter days', Jerusalem will be again be at the epicentre of world events and `a cup of trembling' to the nations. John Hagee tackles this issue head on and pulls no punches as he presents a fascinating insight into current events, the Middle East `peace process', Jerusalem, the Temple Mount plus the potential conflicts facing us all involving weapons of mass destruction. All of these issues and more being examined in the light of what the Scriptures ultimately declare for the times ahead of us.

The writer stresses that his primary purpose is to convey an understanding to readers of the age-old divisions still tearing the Holy Land apart, and how these relate to the future of Jerusalem and the region as a whole.

The roots of the conflict are studied in some depth. The writer examining the `Palestinian issue', the history of the `Palestinian' people, Yasser Arafat, the whole Arab-Israeli conflict and the realms/consequences of International involvement. The issue of the coming Third Temple in Jerusalem is also tackled in the light of the prophesied Anti-christ. Not least of the subjects addressed is that of the Jewish people and the Land of Israel.

Many readers will be aware that during the Nazi Holocaust, musicians were forced to play calming music at the entrance to the death camp of Auschwitz to mask the horror awaiting the Jews as they passed through that infamous gate en route to annihilation.

From this study we can see an alarming parallel to our modern times which the writer illustrates so well. Today's orchestra, comprising of the likes of Bush, Blair, Chirac, Annan, Arafat, & co., all dutifully supported in harmony by the media. Each shown to purvey a modern symphony pacifying & reassuring the Jewish people who are currently being coerced along the new deceptive route to genocide paved with counterfeit pledges of 'peace'.

To elaborate we see from this work how the Israelis are being betrayed into believing the `lie' that by surrendering their eternal Biblical homeland to the Arabs who have taken the name `Palestinian', then the Jewish people will receive recognition, a cessation of terrorism and ultimately `peace'. The writer ably demonstrating with accurate references to Scripture that no such peace under these terms can ever be achieved.

One will discover through this study that the same Bible that promised the Holy Land as an eternal, Divine inheritance to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob (Israel) also proclaimed the consequences of `dividing up' God's Land. ("I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgement against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land." - Joel 3;v2).

The outcome of International interference, pressure and any Israeli capitulation clearly not being peace but war, destruction and judgement upon the nations responsible who rebelled against the Written Word and Purpose so clearly defined. One needs to read and re-read the sections of this book devoted to these particular issues.

Since the horrific terrorist atrocities of September 11 2001, John Hagee has in fact released an `updated' version of this book entitled "Attack On America. New York, Jerusalem & The Role Of Terrorism In The Last Days." To those readers who find obtaining a copy of " Battle For Jerusalem", then perhaps the aforementioned update would be suitable as it does contain the backbone of what is included in the earlier work.

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The clash between King Richard I ‘The Lionheart’ of England and Saladin has become legendary. Throughout the ages, military enthusiasts have been fascinated by the strategy of the resolute, heavily armed Anglo-Saxon army versus their more lightly armed opponents. Richard’s inability to recapture Jerusalem was disappointing, but it proved to the crusaders that Saladin was not invincible. This book describes the struggle that has evolved into a mythic campaign for the Holy City of Jerusalem, providing an in-depth look at the battle, the personalities involved and the tactics employed by each army.

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Good Overview.......2007-02-20

These small Osprey books on various historical events pack in a lot of information and present it in a very easy to understand language that the casual reader may find a good source for research.

David Nicolle is a good historical writer, speaking in plain English and keeping the reader interested. The material in this particular offering is well balanced. There are books that have focused on one side of the story, or the other. Nicolle very successfully attempts to keep both sides focused, discussing the pros and cons of each leader, giving each side to the story and a very well rounded look at the events.

However the book, because of its size, does not go into some of the finer details or "in depth" examination of events and situations that some might be looking for. To be honest, these books are not intended for that purpose. There are volumes out there that you can spend years going through. This book is meant as an overview of the topic and should be taken as such.

The battles do not go into as much detail as some of the other books put out by Osprey. The usual focus of these books is to look at a particular historical event or aspect and go into details. But in choosing a large historical event like The Third Crusade in such a small presentation, there will be a lot left out. The book focuses on a singular year, 1191, in which the whole Crusade came to a crashing close. While the lead up to this year is examined, the focus is more on the battles fought that year and how it brought about the end of that era. And even this is a lot to cover in such a small format.

Not to be left out are the graphics, photographs, maps and the artistic renderings of Christa Hook. These elements are included to keep the interest of the reader. There is a lot of photographs to go over, giving the reader an overview of the art, architecture landscape and battle fields of the time. Christa Hooks paintings give the book a feeling of action, and adds interest to the story.

The maps are valuable and in this book they have included what they label as "3D views" of the particular battlefields. While interesting, I didn't find it added anything to the overview of the battles. However, they are nice topographical additions to the book.

Going over this book, I would have to say this will appeal to the school aged reader who is looking to write a book report for school, or augment their studies of the Historical Crusades. It will even appeal to the casual reader who is curious, but not a serious student of the Crusades.

This is a good look at the cultures of the time, both the Crusaders as well as the forces of Saladin. Some of the key battles are examined. And it favors neither side. We are presented with a fair view of the events. A good overview and presentation of the material. medievalcrusadesbabe

Offers Cultural Perspectives, but less on military side.......2005-12-21

Dr. David Nicolle continues his survey of Medieval battles in Osprey Campaign #161, The Third Crusade 1191. Certainly the clash between two charismatic opponents - Saladin and Richard the Lionheart - make for an interesting subject and Nicolle handles it with admirable balance. However, Dr. Nicolle's primary interests lie in the cultural realm - particularly Islamic art and architecture - and readers seeking more detail on the military aspects of the campaign will find these matters covered in a more perfunctory manner. Furthermore, the graphic quality of this volume - the maps and the battle scenes - is somewhat less than in other Osprey volumes.

This volume includes five 2-D maps (the forces assemble, 1188-91; events in Cyprus, Syria and Palestine, 1188-91; the siege of Acre, 1191; the coastal march; and after Arsuf, 1191-92) and three 3-D BEV maps (initial movements on 7 September 1191; Richard's counterattack and later phases of the Battle of Arsuf). Unfortunately, the 2-D maps are far too complicated, with up to 36-37 events in several maps, and the 3-D maps are "zoomed out" too far to see any close-up detail of the Battle of Arsuf. A close up 2-D map showing the relative dispositions of each army would be more useful to the reader than maps that just show a bunch of blocks and arrows. Also, no individual units or formations are identified in the 3-D maps, unlike most Osprey volumes. The three battle scenes are: Richard's men tearing down the Duke Leopold's banner at Acre, the death of Ayaz al-Tawil and King Richard ordering the Crusader cavalry to halt at Arsuf. Frankly, these battle scenes are rather disappointing, being rather "primitive" and lacking in detail compared to the artwork that normally appears in this series.

Dr. Nicolle's introductory sections on opposing commanders, armies and plans are quite good, although readers unfamiliar with this era would be wise to read the earlier volume on the preceding Hattin campaign first. The only weakness in this material is the lack of any kind of order of battle or even the identification of any specific formations beyond generic nomenclature such as "the Damascus contingent." Surely some Crusader banners under Richard must have been identified? Although the main focus of the volume is on the struggle between Saladin and Richard Lionheart, Dr. Nicolle also makes interesting observations about Sunni-Shia power-sharing arrangements in the 12th Century and politics in the rump Crusader states. The author also provides brief background on the death of Barbarossa before moving on to the siege of Acre and the Battle of Arsuf.

Although Dr. Nicolle's narrative about the Battle of Arsuf is quite coherent, it is difficult to follow actions on the 3-D maps. Nor does the author pay enough attention to Crusader logistics - which other sources note as having a major impact on the campaign. Furthermore, the author does not mention relative strengths and losses at Arsuf, although other sources do include estimates. Arsuf took some of the luster off Saladin's reputation but the Crusaders were not strong enough to regain Jerusalem - although Nicolle suggests that it might have been in their reach. The volume ends with an excellent bibliography and notes on the battlefield today. It is obvious that Dr. Nicolle is well-versed in the cultural aspects of his subject, if not the specific military details.

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This should read everyone!

The Battle for the Last Days' Temple
Randall Price
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Many Jews long to rebuild the Temple destroyed in the Roman conquest of A.D. 70. But the site is now dominated by the Muslim Dome of the Rock and Palestinians claim the Jews have no previous history at the site. This ongoing conflict raises some difficult questions:

Who does the Temple Mount belong to?
Can the Temple Mount be shared?
What’s happening right now in preparation for a new Temple?
Can we expect a literal Temple to be built someday?
How does all this affect Christians today?

Middle Eastern expert Randall Price provides fascinating answers based on archaeological evidence, historical records, and exclusive interviews with those at the forefront of the Temple movement.

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This should read everyone!.......2004-06-23

Prof. Price collected a lot of important material about the struggle for the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. He is dealing with the history from jewish and moslem side and shows the big problem of the fight for the Temple Mount. Whoever wants to understand what is going on in the israel-arab conflict should read that book to get an impression what is the story behind the headlines in the media. Prof. Price wrote his book as a christian and shares with the readers his view of the prophecy of the bible. Even if someone doesn't accept his interpretations of the biblical scriptures everyone will have in his book a great pool of important informations to this sensitive place. Great are the interviews with leading archaeologist, religious and polital leaders on both sides. So one gets first hand information from the people involved in the conflict.

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Holy Fire: The Battle for Christ's Tomb
Victoria Clark
Manufacturer: MacAdam/Cage Publishing
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ASIN: 1596921560

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Holy knuckleheads.......2007-03-20

I picked up this book on a lark while trolling through the local library for something new to read. It was a great choice. This book covers the history of inter-Christian rivalries and politics over the control of the area in Jerusalem where Christ is supposed to have died and been buried. The book is part travelogue and part history. The author starts with the death of Christ and chronologically progresses forward through time to show how Egyptian Copts, Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Byzantines, Ethiopian Christians, Papal Latins, Protestants and now Evangalical Christians have fought for control of this place, and how their conflicts have sometimes led history, and sometimes occurred under the shadow of other conflicts, like the present formation of Israel. Interspersed with the history lessons are direct observations by the author of modern-day life, and how the different Christian sects are still at it. The title of the book refers to an annual ceremony whereby a fire is lit and used to light candles for pilgrims to bring back to their homes.

The book is easy reading, very interesting, and filled with history. The author shows quite a grasp for international politics and history, and how they are intertwined with the affairs of this part of the world. The last chapter on Christian Zionists was quite illuminating. Overall, a great read.

The battle for Jerusalem, June 5-7, 1967

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An outstanding account of a historic battle
The best book on the Subject

The battle for Jerusalem, June 5-7, 1967
Abraham Rabinovich
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An outstanding account of a historic battle .......2005-03-07

This book has just been reprinted by Sefer v' Sefel Publications in Jerusalem. They have made a very attractive book with many pictures of the participants of the battle, and the battlefields themselves.
Rabinovitch interviewed over three- hundred people, traveled all over the country for this work. He is a first- rate journalist and he has a real eye for the battlefield and ear for those who were able to tell their stories of what happened. I have done research on an important figure in the whole story Rabbi Shlomo Goren, and paid special attention to Rabinovitch's account of Rabbi Goren on that day. It was moving, and dramatic, and caught the spirit of the time.
The whole story, the threat to Israel before the 67 war, the build- up of tension with the long - waiting period, the great fear that another Holocaust might be on the way, - all this followed by the dramatic turnaround the startling unexpected victory which had as its penultimate stage the taking and retaking of Jerusalem is chronicled here.
The fact is that there would not have been a battle for Jerusalem had not the Jordanians attacked. Rabinovich tells the story of many of the quiet heroes of the battle, the people from every walk of life who came to defend their homes and found themselves part of the one great moments of modern Jewish history.
This is journalism at the highest level about a great historical event.

The best book on the Subject.......2004-12-29

In June 1967 the third Arab Israeli war broke out. Although Jerusalem had been but a side show and not a prime objective, it ended up being one of the symbols and one of the most important victories in the war.

Famous scenes of men crying at the Western Wall(the holiest site in Judaism) and Dayan(eye patch included) strolling down the Old city steps. Similar important battles such as Ammunition hill went down in Israeli military history as some of the bloodiest and bravest ever fought.

Of all the books on the six day war, this is by far the best one on the Battle for jerusalem. Many subjects are covered, including the many units involved, the commands, the ordinary soldiers, the UN workers, the Mayor, the Israeli museum, the children and the hospital staff. Few people are left unmentioned in this tour of the battlefield, that puts the reader in the picture. The only downside of this book, like most on the conflict, is an almost total lack of maps and few if any acounts of the jordanian experience. Nevertheless this is the standard on the subject.

Seth J.Frantzman

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Excellente narration militaire
The battle for Jerusalem June 1967
"The Temple Mount is ours !...."
What Real Battle Is Like

The Battle for Jerusalem
Mordechai Gur
Manufacturer: I Books
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ASIN: 0743486684

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Lt. General Mordechai Gur, who played a major role in Israel's military operations since statehood, has vividly written an unforgettable account of the events surrounding the critical Battle for Jerusalem during the 1967 Six Day War. General Gur's fast-paced narrative brings alive all the tension, terror, uncertainty, hope and desperation of the conflict.

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Excellente narration militaire.......2005-02-17

Motta délivre une excellente narration minutée des opérations de sa brigade parachutiste. Mais le langage est très technique et ceux qui manquent de connaissances militaires peinreront parfois à suivre. Le livre manque surtout d'une introduction qui situe l'action de la brigade parachutiste au sein des forces du commandement centre et de cartes détaillées.

The battle for Jerusalem June 1967.......2005-01-24

Mordechai Gur was the commander of the Israeli forces in the battle for Jerusalem in the June 1967 Arab-Israeli war. His account of the war also relates part of the political background of the war, including the decision to take the Old City of Jerusalem only after Israel had been attacked by Jordanian forces. Gur gives a detailed account of the battle including the heroic struggle against the entrenched Jordanian forces in Ammunition Hill, and the dramatic taking of the Old City, the Western Wall and the Temple Mount. It was Gur who in the first rush of excitement electrified the people of Israel with his cry ' The Temple Mount is in our hands'. Gur was a strong, quiet soldier, a heroic person who served his country and people well in a distinguished military career. The taking of Jerusalem was the climax of that career and he tells the story in an accurate, and reliable way without great frills but with a deep and restrained feeling .

"The Temple Mount is ours !....".......2002-11-10

Many readers will be familiar with Michael Oren's excellent recent work entitled `Six Days Of War' which relates to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

Perhaps the most significant event of that conflict was the actual battle for Jerusalem which saw Israel once again in control of the whole of Jerusalem, including east Jerusalem, the Temple Mount and the Western Wall. Areas so long occupied by Jordan.

Monumental events that have since held intense, international, political and religious significance. Even today Jerusalem is central to the Middle East 'peace process' and the stumbling block to virtually all negotations. The momentous events described here eventually resulting in Jerusalem going on to be officially declared as the eternal and indivisible capital of Israel during August 1980. A fact yet to be recognised by most of the international community.

Israeli Lt. General Mordechai Gur, the first to break through and reach the Temple Mount provides an excellent, firsthand account of the events leading up to, during, and following the 1967 battle for Jerusalem and the actual taking of the Temple Mount during the conflict.

This is a highly personal, intense account of the actual fighting. You feel as if you are there with the troops on the ground. Those familiar with the streets and environs of Jerusalem & the Old City will be even more so.

The progress of the actual battle against the well-armed and well-trained Jordanian forces is documented throughout and the momentous sentiment expressed towards the end when suddenly at the Western Wall is almost palpable.

An exceedingly well written, moving account which proceeds at a rapid pace hardly pausing for breath from once incident to another. Highly recommended.

What Real Battle Is Like.......2002-07-20

This is a very entertaining book about the desperate battle for Jerusalem during the Six Day War of 1967. The author was overall Israeli commander of this battle and his style of writing gives the reader a you-are-there feeling as the battle is planned and fought. If you like alot of action, you will enjoy this book. There is not a dull page. What I really appreciate about this narrative is the way it brings out the reality of combat. Seldom does anything go as planned. Mistakes are made and confusion is usually present. Among the bullets and bombs almost every human emotion is presented. War is terrible, but there is a time for glory.
Basically, the battle is in stages. Various strategic points must be taken by the Israelis from the Jordanians in a precise order. The reader is taken from one point to the next and is introduced to the major Israeli combat units and leaders in the process. A nice map of Jerusalem at the time of the battle is at the front of the book, so the reader can easily follow the flow of action.

Among Lions: The Battle for Jerusalem June 5-7, 1967

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Among Lions: The Battle for Jerusalem June 5-7, 1967
J. Robert Moskin
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God's Warriors: "Crusaders, Saracens and the battle for Jerusalem" (General Military)

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A Fabulous History Book
God's Warriors
God's Warriors by Nicholson and Nicolle

God's Warriors: "Crusaders, Saracens and the battle for Jerusalem" (General Military)
Helen J. Nicholson , and David Nicolle
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ASIN: 1841769436
Release Date: 2005-03-20

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Combines material previously published as Campaign 19: Hattin 1187, Warrior 10: Saracen Faris 1050-1250, Warrior 91: Knight Templar 1120-1312, with new images, and a new introduction and conclusion.This book tells the story of the momentous campaign that led to the Muslim capture of Jerusalem in 1187, following the disastrous Crusader defeat at Hattin, where Saladin’s troops destroyed the Christian army. These events resulted in the collapse of the kingdom of Jerusalem and sparked off the Third Crusade under Richard I. The authors take a close look at the two most intriguing warrior types involved in the conflict: the Knight Templar and the Saracen Faris. Their motivation, training and combat experiences are examined, as the authors explore what it was really like to fight in the Crusades.

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A Fabulous History Book.......2007-02-14

This is the king of Jerusalem, Saladin has just crossed the Jordan River with 20,000 men because Reynold de Chattion has been raiding his caravans and tormenting Saracens for years. The plot of this book is that the Christians from Europe who are currently holding Jerusalem are about to go to war with the Saracens, who are led and governed by Saladin. The king has tried to keep peace with Saladin and believes that Christians and Muslims should live in peace together.
The genre of this book is historical non-fiction. This book is neither a sequel nor a part of a series. I loved this book with all its action, mystery, and historical accuracy. I learned a lot from this book and it reviewed what I already know. This book shows and expresses the point that Christians and Muslims can live together in peace. I think this novel is more for an adult crowd unless the reader is a child and is very mature for his age or if the child loves history.
John S. Basset who is a professor at a college gave the information to the author to write this book. The more I read this book the more I got sucked in to it; I recommend this book to any and every one because it teaches you about history and also is a compelling and interesting story.

-Forrest Robinette

God's Warriors.......2005-07-04

Overall a worthwhile book, written in a somewhat military fashion. The illustrations are either accurate modern ones or good, mostly color, contemporary ones. It puts forth the facts as the author knows them in a fairly straight forward manner. It is nicely bound and presented with quality. It has more information on the muslims than many other books of its kind.
On the bad side, the author has a minor, out of context bias against the crusaders (as can be seen in the annoying conclusion, for example), and their sources for the crusaders are somewhat lacking. Given that, they fill in the blanks with often erroneous and cliched tid bits. Though, to their credit, they do mention "...so presumably..." on occasion.
All together there are some minor, all too common, frustrating bits the historian of europe or its martial traditions may find, but nothing new in books on the crusades, and hardly enough to be taken into account, comparitively, and the book has far more good than bad, and I'd recommend it.

God's Warriors by Nicholson and Nicolle.......2005-06-12

This work describes the horrific battles leading up to the Muslim
capture of Jerusalem in 1187. Saladin destroyed the Christian armies; whereupon, Richard I commenced the 3rd Crusade. Saladin was considered the greatest man in the 12th century Middle Ages. Various pieces of artwork depict the struggles of the period;namely,
- a 12th and 13th century stucco of Persia depicts horsemen
fighting with spears.

- a 13th century lustre plate of Persia shows a tall soldier with
fighting shield.

- In 1139, the Pope banned crossbows in the Laterin Council
except for infidels.

- The famous Battle of Hattin is depicted in 1187.

- A solider with a 1220s turbin is depicted in a manuscript

Clearly, the art of the period mirrored the tremendous military
conflicts engaged by Christians and Arabs alike. This work would be perfect for historians, theologians, arts/crafts enthusiasts
and a wide constituency of people inside and outside formal academe.

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